The FashionGrinder Forum

[cheston]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599194212800

"The Senate's first day of debate on sweeping legislation to overhaul the health care system produced a squeaker of a vote - exactly the 60 that majority leader Harry Reid needed to overcome a threatened Republican filibuster that could have blocked him from even bringing the bill to the floor. But it also gave a clear picture of the Republican messaging strategy as the legislation moves forward into what promises to be weeks of tendentious debate after the Thanksgiving recess. The minority intends to launch a series of surgical strikes on key parts of the bill, and to raise questions about whether it all adds up to what the Democrats are claiming.


What they are counting on now, and what they are hoping to inflame, is public doubt. Over and over again on Saturday, Republicans mentioned a new Quinnipiac poll indicating that while a healthy majority of Americans - 61% - are eager to see major changes in the health system, only 1 in 5 believes President Obama when he says that he can do it without raising their taxes. What the GOP Senators failed to note was that the same poll showed 59% faulting the Republican Party for not working in good faith with the Democrats to produce a bill."


I think Republican Senators, are seriously dropping the ball here.
Here they have a real chance to actually do some good, and they would rather oppose reform just to spite Obama, rather than be the leaders that their constituency thinks they are.

People vote for Republicans, mostly because of the one good character trait they espouse. "FRUGALITY". Whether or not it's true, you can argue amonst yourselves, but their constituency seems to believe it.

Nobody really wants a health care bill that over extends tax payers, and they also don't want another giveaway of tax payer dollars to another corporate lobby.

I think Republicans should do the responsible thing here, since they can't block the legislation, they need to get involved and do the jobs they were elected to do.... which is to represent the interests of their constituency at all times. While creating a negative public perception of the bill certainly will improve their chances at re-election, it will do absolutely nothing to help reign in the cost of Health Care reform or prevent it's passage.

[shanley]

Because that's what they most of them do. They get kicked while they're down and don't do a damned thing to defend themselves. They just roll with the punches. That's exactly why they lost the last Election and they'll continue to go downhill until someone finally stands up and does something about it.

[killian79]

The liberals in Congress are not representing the interests of their constituents. The vast majority of Americans are against government controlled health care yet the ultra-libs in congress and the white house are trying to pass it anyways. They have effectively shut republicans out of the debate. It is an our way or the highway approach to legislation. Something Obama said he would not do by the way.

Republicans have offered alternatives but the Dem's quickly dismissed any attempt by republicans to have a say in the bill. Republicans said fine then it is all on you democrats. When this thing fails and taxes for the middle class go up dramatically, there will be no blaming republicans for this. This is all democrats and the record will reflect exactly that.

[germano]

Some Republicans are sometimes conservative. Anyone with a brain is opposing this socialized medicine takeover. There is no health care reform even remotely involved in any of the bills before Congress. They are all about the government taking over health insurance and health care.

In the Senate alone, Republicans have offered 32 amendments. None made it out of Democrat controlled committees.

All of the reforms favored by Republicans have been shouted down by Democrats. They are tort reform, eliminating unfunded mandates, removing burdensome regulations on health care providers, allowing the 1300 insurance companies we already have to compete in the open market place.

[kent]

Republicans HAVE made proposal for health care reform.
They are constantly blocked or voted down by the Democrats.
Many proposals don't see the light of day due to Democrats using parliamentary procedures to squash them.
It is a total LIE to say that Republicans aren't doing anything.
They are not allowed to contribute when Democrats control Congress like mad dictators.

[derward]

Your Full of Sht. Come on man. EVERYONE knows the democrats don't need any republicans vote to pass it. They could work with the republicans, but they won't. The only party that stands in the way of it passing is the democrats. Obama said he would leave his door open for talk, Bill Frist Ask to take him up on that. White House NEVER responded. Please your full of sht. Nobody wants to go to jail for not having health care. I hated the republican party 4 years ago, but after seeing what has gone on with the democrat party. They are the worst and degrade our society.

[yuan]

There are only two Republican proposals to improve health insurance that I have heard:

#1 Tort reform
#2 Open market, across state lines.

I have not heard the Republicans advocate for no exclusions due to pre existing conditions and denying care due to cost.

So, who is supporting "death panels", obviously the Republicans.

[taryn13]

That's a really good question. Have you ever heard the phrase, 'dog in the manger'?

Dog in the manger
Meaning

Spiteful and mean spirited.

Origin

Like the proverbial dog who slept in a manger not because he wanted to eat the hay there but to prevent the other animals from doing so. Now used allusively to refer to any churlish behaviour of that 'spoilsport' sort.

The phrase is quite old and is first cited in William Bullein's A dialogue against the feuer pestilence, 1564:

"Like vnto cruell Dogges liyng in a Maunger, neither eatyng the Haye theim selues ne sufferyng the Horse to feed thereof hymself."

Eddy J. you're completely wrong about the majority of Americans not wanting health care reform. My research shows that at least 67% of the people want some kind of health care reform.

[bogart2]

True, but the Democrats are just as guilty of the same offense. They will try to block anything coming from the Right, never even considering if it is in the best interest of their constituency. I truly wish the Right would put the boxing gloves up for this one, and help improve the bill rather than try to deny it from passing as is. Personally, I don't like what I'm hearing that is in it. But I would rather try to compromise on it and make it better suited to meet the needs of the people instead of just trying to throw a wrench in the works.

[bentleigh]

I dont want the govt. in my business, I dont want way higher taxes, I dont want to wait years for an operation, Govt is way too big and nosy, I dont want the govt. have access to my bank account, & I dont want liberals trying to put me in jail.
LIBERALS FOR THIS BILL WILL BITE THE DUST NEXT YEAR, I GUARANTEE IT!